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post Nov 23 2005, 12:55 AM
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Copied verbatim from http://austinswingsyndicate.org/etiquette.shtml for posterity. See room for improvement? Do tell!

Dance Etiquette

Preface

This document was created to give dancers a better sense of common dance etiquette. It is our hope that it will serve as a useful list of suggestions from many veteran swing dancers. This document contains advice, not rules.

Encouraging Words for Beginners

Because there is a wide range of people in the swing scene, skills and experience levels vary greatly. However, everybody starts out as a beginner. If you are a new to dancing, notice that most of the better dancers have been working at it for quite some time. Try not to get discouraged. It may take a few months for you to feel completely comfortable swing dancing. Even then, nobody ever learns everything. In fact, the teachers spend as much time as anybody improving their dancing. Avoid dwelling on what you know or don't know. More importantly, please remember that lacking prior experience does not preclude anybody from enjoying the dance. This is supposed to fun, above all else.

Who to Dance With

It is beneficial to dance with people of all experience levels. In the context of enhancing your skills, dancing with more experienced dancers often helps you to improve. Similarly, dancing with less experienced dancers is a prime opportunity for you to work on your lead/follow skills. Ideally, you should be able to lead/follow with anyone. In the context of having fun, you can have fun dancing with anybody and everybody. In short, ask everybody you can to dance, there is no point in limiting yourself.

General Tips
  • Try to follow the Golden Rule: treat others as you wish to be treated.
  • Smile.
  • Make eye contact, however do not stare down your partner. If this is difficult for you, one trick some people use is looking at their partner's shoulder or their earlobe. This confirms that you are paying attention, yet you are not staring.
  • Focus on your partner. Your job is to make the person you are dancing with look good. For leads this means being conscientious of your partner's skill and adjusting your lead to the situation. For follows this means avoiding back-leading or other actions that make the lead feel "unimportant." For both leads and follows, if you stay aware and adaptive of your partner's feelings, you will be a popular dancer.
  • Thank your partner after each dance.
  • It is polite to clap for live performers when they finish a song and for DJs when they finish their set. If you are not dancing, it is also considered polite to clap after a lengthy solo, however this is not expected of active dancers.
  • It is not necessary to apologize to your partner if a particular move is not executed perfectly. The point is not to have a perfect dance, but to have fun. However, if your mistake may have physically hurt your partner, please apologize and make sure they are okay.
  • Swing dancing is a social dance, therefore talking while dancing is okay and not considered bad etiquette. Moreover, not talking while dancing is not considered bad etiquette either. Do what makes you feel comfortable.
  • Don't be stinky! You will be dancing in close quarters with a lot of new people. You may want to chew gum or bring breath mints (Altoids are popular...and bring enough to share!). Some dancers avoid eating certain foods (garlic or onions, for example) on dance days. You may also wish to wear deodorant or cologne.
  • Dancing is good exercise so be prepared to sweat! Many people bring extra shirts to change over the course of an evening. Other tips include bringing a towel or handkerchief to the dances or using baby powder.
Regarding Cliques and "Snobbery"

Sometimes a perception exists that good dancers only hang out with other good dancers. This is a by-product of the fact that many dancers have been dancing together for a long time and know each other better. For the most part, few people within the scene are intentionally reinforcing this perception. Feel free to break the ice if they don't.

Asking For a Dance
  • Notice what the person is doing before you ask them to dance. Be wary of interrupting conversations.
  • Ask politely, "Would you like to dance?" Avoid grabbing a partner and pulling them onto the dance floor.
  • One dance at a time is the norm within our dance community (in contrast, there are other dance communities where two consecutive songs per partner is the norm). Should you want a consecutive dance with your partner, ask them first. Consider asking them if they want to dance at a later time.
  • It is very acceptable for ladies to ask gentlemen to dance. Most gentlemen are flattered by the offer.
    When there is a group of leads or follows, asking one specific person to dance is less awkward than asking the entire group (i.e. "would one of you like to dance").
  • How To Say "No"
  • Ideally, we would all say "yes" to everyone that asked. In cases where you wish to decline a dance, be polite: smile and say "No, thank you." If there is a reason why you can't dance that song, give them a reason. While opinions differ, the authors of this document generally believe that it is not a good idea to just make up a reason not to dance. In other words, try to deal with people honestly and directly. If you would like to dance with the person some other time, offer to dance with them later and make a point to follow up.
  • If you have no desire to dance with this person, simply say "No thank you," with a pleasant, sincere smile. Also, please keep in mind that some people consider it rude to refuse to dance with one person and then dance with another person during the same song. Along this line, there may be valid reasons why somebody will dance with somebody else after turning somebody down (i.e. the song tempo changed, the other person was too forceful, etc...). If this happens to you, realize that it may not necessarily be a personal rejection.
What to Do If They Say "No"

You can always ask again, but give him or her time and space and ask again later. It is usually a good idea to let several songs pass. Also, do not get discouraged if you are turned down. All dancers get turned down from time to time. There are other people who would very much like to dance with you.

Special Advice for Leads
  • When starting a dance, especially with someone you don't know, take it slow. Everyone dances differently, so take your time and get to know the other person by starting off with less complex moves.
  • Do your best to avoid leading moves that might hurt your partner. Do not push or pull your partner too hard. If she is not following something, try leading other moves. Make sure you pay attention to where your partner is and where she is going. The social dance floor is like the ocean and can be choppy and rough by no fault of your own - make sure she is safe on the sea.
  • Blues dancing and other close dances have recently become popular. The Syndicate does not wish to discourage close dancing, however, as a lead, be aware of whether or not your partner wants to dance close. If she pulls away or appears uncomfortable, give her more space. Just because the blues dancing workshops teach a snug closed dance position does not mean that every follow wants to dance that way. Additionally, not every lady has taken a blues workshop. As a rule of thumb, when dancing blues style with a new partner, ask her she minds dancing close.
  • Side-by-side Charleston can take up a lot of space. Be aware of other dancers. Don't forget to look behind you while Charlestoning or you might kick someone. If the floor is extremely crowded, be polite and switch to a smaller dance. (Added Dec 2005)
  • Lindy hop can also take up space. When the floor gets crowded, dance smaller. Take smaller steps and tighten up your connection to minimize your chunk of floorspace. Consider sitting down every few songs so that other people can dance; talking to people is rewarding in its own right. (Added Dec 2005)
  • Dips are acceptable, but only when you are confident that you can execute them without causing your partner discomfort, fear, or pain. Contrary to what you see on the dance floor, it is not a requirement that you close out every song with a dip. Only lead a dip if you feel that you can execute it successfully. This is true for even the most basic dips. If you are going to lead more complex dips, please ask her first. This is especially true if is somebody that you do not dance with regularly. Some follows do not like dips of any sort, either for personal preference reasons or for health reasons (back issues, etc...). If a follow resists at the start of a dip, take that as a sign that she does not like to be dipped.
  • Aerials and drops (Trick Moves) are generally not acceptable on the social dance floor. In fact, many venues ban them outright. They are rarely done at Austin Swing Syndicate dances, with the only exceptions being controlled circumstances such as a jam circles or performances or among partners who have worked on aerials or drops prior. Remember that injuries can happen with even the most basic aerial/drop moves. For those who may unfamiliar with the terms, aerials are moves where the partner's feet leave the floor; drops are moves that cause your partner's head to be below your waist. If you are in the position to lead an aerial or drop, we strongly encourage you to ask for your partner's permission first.
  • If you bump another couple, try to immediately look back and apologize. If another couple bumps you, apologize even if it is their fault. The experienced dancer knows that toes will be stepped on and people will bump into one another. Don't let the occasional accident get you down. If you happen to be dancing near an erratic lead, relocate to another part of the floor.
  • There is a split opinion regarding the practice of walking your partner off the floor. Some people believe that it is a very respectful thing to do. Others feel that is unnecessary and too formal. A good compromise is to understand that the best course of action will vary from situation to situation.
Teaching On The Dance Floor

The following section is the most controversial portion of this document. Some people avoid the practice of "teaching on the dance floor" at all costs; others religiously seek out the chance to share their knowledge with new dancers. We would like to present a balanced view on the subject.

Asking for Instruction

Be careful about asking others for quick lessons on the dance floor. Many people are reluctant to criticize people that they are dancing with, since it could be taken negatively. Additionally, there are teachers who do not like to be asked to teach while they are social dancing. This is not true for all teachers, but it is true for a certain percentage of them.

Volunteering Instruction

An often followed rule is to only give advice if the other person explicitly asks for it. Sometimes unsolicited advice puts your partner on the defensive. However, if a lead is hurting you, please speak up. In contrast, if the lead is only leading steps ineffectively, without any real harm to you, be more cautious with your commentary. Remember, that leads have a lot to concentrate on when dancing.

Giving Feedback and Constructive Advice

Before commenting on your partner's dancing; it is a good idea to think about what you can do to improve your dancing. Obviously if someone is doing something dangerous to themselves or to others you should say something, but otherwise it may be more harmonious to withhold comment. Just because you can criticize, does not mean that you should. If you feel compelled to say something, attempt to phrase your comments politely so as not to make the other person uncomfortable. It is nice to offer a compliment prior to offering constructive criticism. It is usually a good idea to assume that half the problem is on your end (your lead skills/your follow skills) and remember that if you are offering advice, be prepare to receive it. One effective phrase used by dancers is, "I don't think the move worked out right, what do you think we can do to make it work better." Use statements that allow for honest feedback on both sides. Don't let the other person think it is entirely their fault.

Handling Unsolicited Advice on the Social Dance Floor

If your partner offers you advice, you can handle the situation in a variety of ways depending on the situation. First, you can accept the feedback and be open to instruction. By doing so you express that you want to hear their advice and wish to have a dialogue about what is and is not working in regard to the dance. If you do not desire advice or feedback at the time, you can politely say "thanks, but I don't feel like discussing technique right now, I just want to dance." If you don't want the advice, you can say very little and let it go. Whatever you do, avoid blaming each other, which may lead to an uncomfortable and antagonistic situation. Remember, in the social dance world, having fun is more important than being right.

Dealing With Difficult People

If somebody at a Syndicate event makes you feel uncomfortable, please speak with a Board member. If you don't know a Board member, tell the DJ and he or she will get you in touch with a Board member. We will be glad to deal with them in a respectful, non-confrontational manner.

Closing Thought

It is wise to be lighthearted enough to just enjoy the dance regardless of whether or not everyone is at their best etiquette.

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post Nov 23 2005, 3:32 PM
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I like it. The only thing I'd add would be the slightly more severe consequences for what might happen if you don't have the common sense needed to not piss people off.

What good is a guideline that has no real consequenses for failure to comply with the rules? What's the motivation to read or do any of this stuff?


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post Nov 23 2005, 4:33 PM
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QUOTE(Russ @ Nov 23 2005, 3:32 PM) *
I like it. The only thing I'd add would be the slightly more severe consequences for what might happen if you don't have the common sense needed to not piss people off.

What good is a guideline that has no real consequenses for failure to comply with the rules? What's the motivation to read or do any of this stuff?

I've heard Austin has a board that will talk sternly to people who get out-of-line. Seriously, they send people in front of a committee. I wonder if we have funds to buy a pillory. biggrin.gif


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post Nov 23 2005, 6:44 PM
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QUOTE(Joshua @ Nov 23 2005, 4:33 PM) *
I've heard Austin has a board that will talk sternly to people who get out-of-line. Seriously, they send people in front of a committee. I wonder if we have funds to buy a pillory. biggrin.gif


I danced in Austin once a few years ago. They got a pretty neat scene. I had no idea they had this going on though. Sounds like a neat little system.

Isin't that kinda like what Barb does to dancers that get out of line at the North Star? aggressive.gif


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-I love this Etiquette article, it’s very nicely written I especially enjoyed...
"However, if your mistake may have physically hurt your partner, please apologize and make sure they are okay. "

-"Don't be stinky! You will be dancing in close quarters with a lot of new people. You may want to chew gum or bring breath mints (Altoids are popular...and bring enough to share!). Some dancers avoid eating certain foods (garlic or onions, for example) on dance days. You may also wish to wear deodorant or cologne"

It’s so politely written, you may also wish to wear deodorant.. heee! I like it! biggrin.gif
"Altoids" I once meet a lead that offered all the follows he danced with altoids before the dance, it was funny, once you got over the initial insult!


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QUOTE(Dancingqueen6 @ Nov 30 2005, 7:56 PM) *
"Altoids" I once meet a lead that offered all the follows he danced with altoids before the dance, it was funny, once you got over the initial insult!


Altoids and gin smell like creme de menthe. Or so I'm told. laugh.gif
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post Dec 6 2005, 11:46 PM
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"Ideally, we would all say "yes" to everyone that asked. In cases where you wish to decline a dance, be polite: smile and say "No, thank you." If there is a reason why you can't dance that song, give them a reason."

I prefer if people do not provide a reason. Of course I never get turned down :-)

Also the part at the end about enjoying the dance is well spoken. Don't anybody get too serious, ok?
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Hi all -

I'm the webmaster for Austin Swing Syndicate, and mad props need to go out to Nathan Malone (DJ Nate Dogg) for writing this document.

The short form is that it's hard to wrong by being polite, friendly, clean, understanding, and having a good sense of humor.

Nice site by the way! I'm seeing some ideas I might stea...I mean "adapt" for use on the Syndicate's site. smile.gif


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I like this a lot. This type of thing could help us all avoid embarrassment. I wonder if we shouldn't adopt this in some form and provide this to new dancers in some way. D


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QUOTE(drrf @ Dec 7 2005, 4:54 PM) *
I like this a lot. This type of thing could help us all avoid embarrassment. I wonder if we shouldn't adopt this in some form and provide this to new dancers in some way. D

This website has all kinds of excellent resources for beginners and experienced dancers alike.

Rather than printing this out for your beginners, I'd recommend sending them here. In particular, point them at the Instruction box on the site's home page; this etiquette form as well as links to videos and other stuff is all there.

Cheers!
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post Dec 26 2005, 12:33 PM
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As a new dancer who is trying to be a respectable and good follow this was helpful! Thank you so much. In fact, just last Friday I had a lead who didn't ask before dipping (I stated I was new at this right?) and I dropped right on my you-know-what! OUCH! Thanks for the tips!
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Most of this is excellent! When I used to teach, I would always have at least one lecture on etiquette.

I would add to be careful with the perfume or cologne should you choose to wear it. Some people have allergies, athsma, or are pregnant tongue.gif and overly sensitive to smells. Don't overdo it.

Also, if someone is hurting you - I would say that is the one time where unsolicited advice is totally ok. If done politely, it can do wonders for you, the person you dance with and everyone else they dance with. I've done this while dancing on several occasions - and have had leads be totally grateful to know they were hurting me and know how to fix it. However, it did cause some nice fights with one particular regular partner I had... but that's a different story.


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This has some really helpful information! I will be sure to refer friends, that are new to dance, here! smile.gif Thanks!

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Excellent! I'd add a couple of things:

Always ask the follow before dipping. It's best to ask early in the dance, otherwise the follow might think your next move is going to be a dip. I use the phrase "May I dip when the time comes?" I've made a habit of this, and many follows thank me for it. If you want to end the dance with a flourish, just lead her in a swingout, and put your hand up in the air (in other words, there are other cool ways to end a dance, other than dipping).

Leads and Follows: If your dancing with a less advanced person, act like you're enjoying yourself anyway. Nothing is more discouraging than dancing your best with someone who looks bored or annoyed. Always try to find something you can honestly compliment them for.

When dancing with someone who is very new to dancing, start a conversation, and lead very basic steps. That way they get their mind off of dancing perfectly, and have fun. I've lead some new dancers in just the rock step - and many have been grateful I didn't make it more complicated.
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QUOTE(JessIAm @ Jul 19 2007, 10:35 AM) *
Leads and Follows: If you're dancing with a less advanced person, act like you're enjoying yourself anyway. Nothing is more discouraging than dancing your best with someone who looks bored or annoyed.

So do people actually believe that you're enjoying yourself just because you're acting like you are? Do I need to take acting lessons as well as dancing lessons?

Note, I dance with lots of beginning follows but I'm not good at pretending to enjoy dancing with follows who have no frame, no rhythm and don't know how to follow at all. I have a whole bunch of techniques for dancing with them so no one gets injured but I'm not going to lie and say it's fun. In fact that's one of the reasons I haven't been dancing much lately.
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QUOTE(scowl @ Jul 19 2007, 2:39 PM) *
QUOTE(JessIAm @ Jul 19 2007, 10:35 AM) *
Leads and Follows: If you're dancing with a less advanced person, act like you're enjoying yourself anyway. Nothing is more discouraging than dancing your best with someone who looks bored or annoyed.

So do people actually believe that you're enjoying yourself just because you're acting like you are? Do I need to take acting lessons as well as dancing lessons?

Note, I dance with lots of beginning follows but I'm not good at pretending to enjoy dancing with follows who have no frame, no rhythm and don't know how to follow at all. I have a whole bunch of techniques for dancing with them so no one gets injured but I'm not going to lie and say it's fun. In fact that's one of the reasons I haven't been dancing much lately.



I may not enjoy their dancing style, but I still enjoy dancing with them. When a follow agrees to dance with me, she's complimenting me. I always enjoy that. I'll smile and encourage them. I may not dance with them again (I don't have the best back, and some follow's dancing style can hurt).

I'm not saying we should lie to them. I've said 'ow' rather loudly when a new follow jumped as far as she could out of a cuddle step - it actually dislocated my shouder. I still dance with her, though, I made sure she knew I held nothing against her. Also, if a new dancer is made to feel stupid, inadequate or not-up-to par, they won't come back. I'm not sure that helps the dancing community.

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I happen to be a mediocre, but improving lead dancer.

I once smacked a follow in the mouth and cut her lip on an inside turn doing simple ECS. I apologized and made sure she was OK.

I enjoyed dancing with all follows, even the ones who don’t dance that good and ones who are experts. I appreciate that a follow will accept my invitation to her. I equally appreciate her invitation to me. Some follows (ladies) look so nice to me, I am not so concerned how well they dance. I am simply glad I had the honor of dancing with them. I hope it shows to them. Also, I encourage bad and beginner dancers to come back so that one-day when they are improved, we can all appreciate their new skills even more.

Lastly……….I think the ones who put on the dances like dancers of all levels to attend. So remember to conduct oneself in the highest manner. Here is your chance to be a gentleman, or a lady, and to deal out a random act of kindness.

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OK so don't "lie" to them, but out of kindness you should mislead them into thinking you enjoyed dancing with them? Unfortunately I'm just not able to act this phony. Maybe there's something wrong with me.

This of course has nothing to do with obvious accidents like accidentally smacking a follow in the mouth. Even excellent dancers do that occasionally!

I was told I was a crappy dancer for over a year when I started back in the 90's. Yes, it made me feel inadequate but I didn't run home in tears vowing to never come back. I simply took more classes, got some advice from good dancers (some who told me I sucked) and got better.

I thank those people for being honest with me otherwise I would have never known what it's like to be a decent dancer. To me, honesty is kindness.
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Politeness is always acceptable. as a budding beginner, i want to improve, and appriciate the tolerance that is shown as i try out my new found knowledge. I try to be careful of the follows not to injure them.
if i was told i sucked at dancing ,which i did, and still do at times, i would not be still dancing. so to all who have tolerated me, Thank You, one day I will pay you back by giving you a great dance.

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Yes I think politeness is the way to go. I understand the point about respecting someone who tells you the truth, for better or worse, but in this case, I can't believe there can be too many newcomers or beginners who are blissfully unaware of their technical shortcomings when dancing with someone much further advanced in ability and experience. So much so, I doubt they really need the point ramming down their throats with a good, old-fashioned pair of size 15s.

As long as they haven't been exposed to a higher level of dancer, then the probability is that they will be unaware to a significant degree. But all it takes is a newcomer to see their experienced follow do one ball-change in the middle of her footwork (for example), that's one teeny trick in a song, pretending for argument's sake the follow limits herself to that sole extravagance, for him to see the breadth of the chasm.


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Nothing wrong with someone to the extent everyone got some imperfection. Remember how much the many appreciate you……….even when you dance.

With respect to the follows, it is a relief to know that I am not the only one who ever smacked a follow by accident. There are times that I have enjoyed dancing with follows more than others. Some follows have been so stiff, it was like moving a heavy fishing pole around with large fish on. I am not claiming to be so good myself. If I did not enjoy the dance, I try not to let it show, so I rather not look at it as misleading and phony them. I hope that I did a good lead on the dance floor rather than mislead. I dont want to hurt or discourage anyone.

I think being polite included is always the way to go as others have mentioned. It could conflict with being honest. That is the way I conduct my life……….to be kind and loving even if I rather not. The rewards for that may not be obvious until sometime down the road. I can walk into a dance with hundreds of people and feel comfortable walking up to any follow and asking them for a dance.......even the ones that scare me because they are sooo good! The worst thing that ever happened to me was…………they said no and that is fortunately, a low percentage.
I hope that some of them remember me as a gentleman who was fun to hang out and dance with regardless how good or bad they compared me.

Generally, I like the etiquette list presented. I almost always escort the follow to the side of the floor after we finished dancing. The exception is when they grab another lead already on the floor. How sweet it is when the follows ask me to dance again and remain on the floor! Etiquette Yeah!

Imagine what it is about how you would like someone to treat you and it will likely help you treat others well.
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Real name: Scott Larson



QUOTE(WolfieSmith @ Jul 20 2007, 12:08 AM) *
Yes I think politeness is the way to go. I understand the point about respecting someone who tells you the truth, for better or worse, but in this case, I can't believe there can be too many newcomers or beginners who are blissfully unaware of their technical shortcomings when dancing with someone much further advanced in ability and experience.

I think you need to dance with more beginning follows and maybe talk to them like I do. I bet you'll be surprised. Some nights I'll have four dances in a row with flopping follows swinging their elbows around who don't know what frame is much less a swingout and seem to be totally unaware of the music. That's when I feel like going home.

I really appreciate the instructors at PPAA like Josh and Binky who are actually teaching fundamentals of lead and follow dancing to those who want to learn. I wish every drop in lesson would teach this stuff. Most of the follows come out of their lessons truly dancing and I've been shocked at what they can teach in less than an hour. Unfortunately a depressing number of beginning dancers who desperately need to learn these things show up right after the lessons and never benefit from them.

I've asked many follows why they skip the lesson the few times I've gone to PPAA. Most told me they already know all this stuff because, say, they had taken a class or two several years ago or some other lame excuse. They didn't know anything. So yes, I would say they are blissfully unaware of their shortcomings. You should try dancing with them. You have to be quick because they tend to leave early.

Other follows simply didn't know what the drop in lesson was about so it was easy to fill them in. Some mistakenly thought it cost extra. A few thought the instructors were just teaching a pointless routine. I can understand this because it has been common to teach routines in drop in lessons instead of leading and following.

Then I've gotten some really interesting responses. One follow didn't want to "dance with a bunch of beginning leads." Wait a minute... I was in that damn lesson! Yeah, most of them were beginning leads but so were most of the leads she ended up dancing with that evening. I could barely lead an inside turn with her and it didn't look like other leads were having much more luck. She acted like we all sucked.

One even flat out told me she comes out to "dance", not "stand in a lesson for an hour". I would say she was arrogantly unaware of her shortcomings.

I don't go out of my way to set these women straight about their lack of dancing abilities but I also don't go out of my way to convince them that they're great dancers either. Not even the hot ones.
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RickyDancer
post Jul 20 2007, 1:16 PM
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Hey There Leads and Dudes:

Follows and Ladies have shared with me some interesting and amusing things about the dance scene, particularly about: the Leads and Dudes. Here are some quotes or near quotes:

“He was such a know it all.”
“He is not as good as he thinks he is.”
“It was gross when he placed my arm around his sweaty neck.”
“He was telling me how to do that and do this. He was putting me down. I am not sure I want to come back.”
“It was fun dancing with him. I know exactly where to go with his lead.”
“It was silly watching him spin in front of me like a top. No woman likes that.”
“He spun me around way too much. I don’t like dancing with him.”
“There seems to be always more follows than leads. We have to light a match under the seats of some of the leads who just sit there.”

This is what I heard, I share with you. These comments give me clues on how to be more improved.

Be skillful in dance and socially. Have fun!!
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WolfieSmith
post Jul 20 2007, 3:13 PM
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QUOTE(scowl @ Jul 20 2007, 1:08 PM) *
I think you need to dance with more beginning follows and maybe talk to them like I do.


Thanks for the advice. I never ever dance with a beginning follow. I'll be sure to rectify that and look forward to the ensuing surprise.

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You should try dancing with them.


I really will, I promise. I can't believe I've never danced with one.

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Then I've gotten some really interesting responses. One follow didn't want to "dance with a bunch of beginning leads." Wait a minute... I was in that damn lesson! Yeah, most of them were beginning leads but so were most of the leads she ended up dancing with that evening. I could barely lead an inside turn with her and it didn't look like other leads were having much more luck. She acted like we all sucked.


There's always one. (or two)

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One even flat out told me she comes out to "dance", not "stand in a lesson for an hour".


Marvellous. Sounds like you have all the luck.

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I don't go out of my way to set these women straight about their lack of dancing abilities


Marvellous. Sounds like they have all the luck.


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God Swing The Queen.

"I don't dig that two beat jive the New Orleans cats play. My boys and I have four heavy beats to the bar and no cheating!" - Count Basie



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Catherine
post Jan 9 2008, 12:01 AM
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QUOTE(fly4rfun @ Jul 19 2007, 11:13 PM) *
Politeness is always acceptable. as a budding beginner, i want to improve, and appriciate the tolerance that is shown as i try out my new found knowledge. I try to be careful of the follows not to injure them.
if i was told i sucked at dancing ,which i did, and still do at times, i would not be still dancing. so to all who have tolerated me, Thank You, one day I will pay you back by giving you a great dance.

Garry


I enjoyed a wonderful dance with you recently Garry. You were easy to follow and kind to a beginner like me.
Thank you for asking me and helping me feel accepted.
Catherine
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RickyDancer
post Jan 9 2008, 8:33 AM
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Catherine, If I am can identify you someday………I will be sure to dance with you even if you are still in beginner mode.

The decision for someone to continue dancing is a fragile thing for many. Especially for Beginners. One slight negative experience and someone may not come back. Know what the people population of our greater Portland -Vancouver community is?

Yeah……..1.8 million people and getting bigger each moment………not just 250.

There is no reason why more people could not come and get hooked into the very nice dance community we have.

As such, I dance with anyone, treat everyone kind and equal……..
remember ettiqette………
because I would like to experience the dance scene grow and remain healthy.

The big dance at the Crystal is coming up. Spread the word. Lots of people who never set foot and face onto the swing dance floor will be there. I encourage you to welcome them, ask them to dance, thank them, and encourage them to return.

Have fun!!
Thanks
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